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Contrary to popular belief, stamps ARE art. by LunarMew Contrary to popular belief, stamps ARE art. by LunarMew
EDIT AGAIN AGAIN

Ok, I give up. I'll just put the download option to make it easier to read. If you'll excuse me, I am going to shoot myself in the foot now.

EDIT AGAIN

Ok, I tried submitting different file formats and it doesn't work. I know why I messed up. I submitted the image in JPEG when it is recommended as a GIF. However, nothing seems to change the original image. I don't know if it is deviantArt or me, but if anyone has experience making and submitting stamps, let me know what file format you submit them as. I just want to know if it is my own fuck ups or not. I'm getting annoyed.

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DAMN IT, IT'S NOT LEGIBLE! I'll fix this, I am sorry...^^;

Man, this design looks bland. Great stamp to prove a point, huh? I apologize...it isn't my best work but I did this quickly...in around an hour...I don't suck...............................................
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Ok, I had to redo this stamp more than once because I wondered, "Shit, people might have trouble reading the text, fucking fontsdamnitrskjhgklrenjgoirjgoijgh....."


Ok, back to topic. ^^;


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This is actually a comment that a lot of people say which I find perplexing...The other comment is that stamps don't belong in an art site.

Now I am going to try my best not to turn this into a rant like in the MLP stamp. Sigh...alright.

You guys do know (at least the people that insist that stamps aren't art) that stamps involve typography, color theory, and layout, which is under the category of graphic design, which is an art form, therefore makes sense to put them in deviantArt, right?

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:iconquestionableplz:..................?


Seriously, just look up graphic design. Notice how it doesn't always have to involve drawings because of how some graphic design work involves playing with text? Notice how color theory applies to this as well as layout? Stamps work the same way. Saying that stamp isn't art is like saying that photography, literature and poetry aren't art because they don't involve drawing on a piece of paper. It's just a silly argument. Sure, you don't have to appreciate stamps as art but that doesn't mean that it isn't art. It's just that it isn't your thing, therefore you don't see it as art. I mean, there are people who don't see GBLT artwork as art simply because they don't agree with it, despite how well made the art is and how powerful the message might be. You also have fanart not being considered as art despite that it takes a lot of work to make it look good. (I am going to get a lot comments because of that example, aren't I? Just looks a bit controversial to me...)

This is probably a question I am going to get, though.

"Wait a second, LM. If stamps are art, then why the fuck are people using copyrighted images and gifs to make them? Isn't that like, art theft and stuff?"

That is a good question, actually. I have a theory about that, but I would like to bring up something first.

While copyrighted images are used to make stamps without permission, hand drawn artwork belonging to other artists are also stolen and recolored. Does that mean that hand drawn artwork isn't art because there are people who use art without permission? No? No. The same goes for stamps. There are well designed stamps out there with original images and stamps with copyrighted material. The copyrighted stamps don't mean that stamps are a poor excuse of an art form, it's just that you have uncreative people screwing it up for everybody else...apparently...just like you have uncreative people stealing hand drawn art.

Now before you assume that I mean that people using copyrighted images for stamps are uncreative, let me get to my theory first. Don't misunderstand me and please finish reading first.



Now in Graphic Design, you are allowed to use copyrighted images or at least follow the rules under fair use. That includes screenshots, gifs, artwork, photographs, you get the idea. HOWEVER, you need permission to use these first. You can't just say, "OOOOOh PREETY IMAGE. MUST. GET." No, it doesn't work that way. ^^;

However, I noticed that deviantArt and most of its users are very lenient towards this. I haven't even heard of animation studios, developers, or other companies complain about stamps. I could be wrong about deviantArt and the company thing, though. However, I never have seen stamps reported for the use of copyrighted images. Even I though that it was ok according to deviantArt rules or something, which is why I fave these types of stamps, until I started doing some thinking recently. (Wow, now...?)

I believe that stamps are treated like music on YouTube. If it belongs to an artist you can't use it on a video without permission, but if it is video game music then nobody says anything. Don't know why since that is copyrighted too.

Then there is the inconsistency of copyright because some companies are forgiving and let you use their shit while others are ruthless and send in the hounds their lawyers to sue the fuck out of people.




I don't know, maybe stamps with copyrighted images are ok here (I am obviously wrong) since I looked up the copyright rules and I haven't found anything about this. If someone does regarding copyrighted content in stamps, let me know. I would also love to know what you think about the subject.

As for the "stamps are art" thing, think about all the stamps you came across with, and let me know which ones you found eye-catching and which ones were a headache to look at. There is a reason some don't look fancy.




Constructive criticism about the stamp's design is welcomed. Also let me know if you have difficulty reading this.
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NekoXIchigo Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:3
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zigaudrey Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Art is language!And Stamp is language too!
They exprime our thought and comment if we agree with him/her!
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LittleAylia Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Oh... no! Not the "what is art and what isn't" question again! Why not starting at the root of the problem and finding a definition for "art" first? Each of my teachers that talk to me about it have a different idea of what is art and what isn't. I don't think that there are forms of expression that are more artistic than others, it how and how much they are developed that makes it artistic or not. A drawing can be art. Not all drawings are. A comic can be art. Not all comics are. A stamp can be art. Just not all are.

For the question of the copyrights, it's a touchy question. In theory using an image that isn't yours, without permissions is againts copyrights. In the real world, as long as you don't make money from it or have a huge/bad influence on the vision of the image you used, there are no real problem about it.
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LunarMew Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Well art can be pretty freegin' subjective. I used to have a professor that didn't want to think of digital art as, well, art no matter what. I told him I did a lot of digital art when he asked me and he cringed. ^^;

But yea, I am just more leaned towards thinking that stamps can be art when done right. I just see them in the same category as graphic design. Sure, there are stamps that end up bringing negativity, but so do some advertisements which also can qualify as graphic design. It just depends if they are done right (again, that is subjective) depending on the purpose. But still, the stamp isn't really meant to change opinions, although stamps never do that and I doubt they are supposed to work that way. I should make a less controversial stamp next time to even them all out. Maybe one with a bizarre face or something.


Also, I was curious about the same thing when it comes to copyright. Then again, a lot of copyrighted material in videos don't involve the maker of the video making money of it, yet things go haywire there. Maybe screenshots are harmless compared to a movie or song. After all, a screenshot doesn't give you the full experience.
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ToddNTheShiningSword Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I... think you made too long of a rant. ^^;
And the Stamp is legible enough on my monitor that it doesn't get any clearer when I Download. I can read it.
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LunarMew Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Strange. I have the opposite problem. I have a large widescreen monitor at home but I can't read the stamp very well. I tested this out on a small laptop I have as well. It is a little better but it appears blurry. (Maybe I am just going blind...^^; )

As for the stamp's message, I tend to ramble a lot, which is probably why is seems like a rant. I swear I was trying to avoid that. ^^; You should read the MLP stamp, though. It is a lot worse. :XD:
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Sparkle-arkle Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, it's a little blurry on my screen, too. I know this is old, but I thought I'd let you know.. x'DD
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LunarMew Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Looking at this from my Toshiba. I think it's from the lower quality while doing this in photoshop.

When I made this stamp I didn't have experience making them (actually I think this proves my point further since stamps are art and can look like crap if you don't know what you are doing) but I'll have to research more when creating stamps in the future.
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Sparkle-arkle Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I see. Well, that does make sense. I can understand that, I make stamps because I feel like it. I'm not trying to be "great" or anything. I do agree that they are art, but they're not my kinda thing. x'DD I like making them for fun~
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ToddNTheShiningSword Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It's a little blurry on my screen too. It's just that it's still legible, and Downloading doesn't help one bit.

No, I won't read the MLP Stamp Rant :XD: I don't hate that fandom, but I dislike it too much to want to read a rant about it!
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Phendranaguardian Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I completely agree that stamps should be on DA, but not because of the reason which you are thinking. Stamps do posess artistic qualities however they are not an art form. The intention of a stamp is an intellegent solution created by the DA founders to allow deviants to express opinions which eventually lead to debates and arguements so as to minimalize conflict on the real art pieces. Not to say that stamps aren't worthy of DA, but they lack one key element which graphic design possesses and that's to try to sell a product or service to an intended audience, stamps on the other hand aren't made for promotional purposes (though they can be used as non-profit advertising for companies and deviants).

As for the copyright arguement: there is no real limit to what can be put on a stamp, they're just an innocent tid-bit created for the site and aren't restrained by the laws of copyright, the only real thing you'll get attacked for on a stamp is having an offensive message. This once again leads to the original statement of how stamps are meant to merely soak up attention (mostly negative).
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SafeGaming89 Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Hobbyist
Regarding writing and poetry, I don't see how that ain't classed as art because most artists include images on books (mostly) so then it contributes to the plot itself.

Yea. It's wise to get permission from the original artist first before you include his/her images onto a project you wanna make. Of course, giving credit to said artist is a must.

Hmm. Perhaps VG artists aren't too prominent in terms of copyright material.
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LunarMew Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Well it depends. I heard that literature and poetry involve craft (I don't have enough experience with both but I am taking a creative writing course to find out for myself) and not all books need artwork in them.

As for the image thing, I would pretty much suck at making layouts involving other people's work. I am usually the type that, if I need something I would do it myself. Need artwork? I'll make it. Need a layout? I'll do research on the sizes to work on it myself. Need photography? I suck at photography but I will take a shit ton of pictures until I come across some darn good ones. Website design? I am bad at that too but tutorials might help me so it is a good thing I learn the basics about that at school. You get what I mean. Hell, the filler classes I am taking in my last semester are liberal art courses that have to do with literature. I would love to learn to write my own crap, apparently. Yep...I am that much of a hog.

This is actually a mistake on my part since any job involving this type of stuff means I might have to work with other people. While I love to work in teams, some jobs might require me to get permission to use copyrighted work, whether it might be music, photography, or a video. That is what I am bad at.

I don't know, I guess I am very cheap like my dad. "Usage of copyrighted content? That costs money dammit!" ^^; But joking aside, it isn't a good habit. This is one of the reasons I don't want to pursue a full career in graphic design, although I wouldn't mind doing some freelance work for that if I got the chance. I believe concept art and animation are more creative. The idea of designing games is intriguing me more, though. It's fun to analyze how developers do things, even if I am no game critic.
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ProcrastinatingStill Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012
Stamps are still more creative then recolors.
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LunarMew Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Yep.
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AetherealBunny Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student General Artist
Graphics design isn't art 8D

/allthebs.

I don't think this was all that needed. People try to act like photography or writing isn't art either. There's times when you just got to let people be arrogant because... Well, they are. You usually can't change the mind of some one so closed off
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LunarMew Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Yes, but this is a stamp I wanted to make for a while. No stamp can change an opinion, really, but that doesn't have to be the point. I just wanted to throw this out.

I am also angry that this stamp didn't end up looking so well. I can't read the thing. Now I have to fix it as well as add in the teeth that I forgot. :iconffplz: That is what I get for making this from scratch. I dislike using templates because they come up all pixelated and blurry in photoshop. Then I tried using Adobe Illustrator and now it looks worse.
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AetherealBunny Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student General Artist
o.o; A little pizazz would go a long way.
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LunarMew Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
True, true. One problem though.

deviantArt glitched out on me.


I have a more polished version of this stamp (the one with the teeth) but I can't update this no matter what. I even tried almost all the files used for stamps but nothing is working. I gave up eventually because I kept loosing my temper. I'll have to stick to templates for a while.


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:iconffplz:FUFUFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUFFF-nnnnnnnnnngh!!!!!one!!1!!!
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AetherealBunny Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012  Student General Artist
Rename the new file something else. The thing is quite litereally so stupid that if the file has the same name... even if it's completely different, it will keep the old file.

To that, we all say

"WTF"
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